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hello

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and welcome to episode number 13 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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even before h.g wells wrote his classic

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war of the worlds

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depicting an alien invasion on behalf of

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a technologically superior

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civilization from mars human beings have

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looked to the skies

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meaning more specifically outer space as

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the obvious source for visitation from a

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group of

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others as we've grown in our

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understanding

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of just how discombobulatingly vast our

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cosmos is

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populated by countless galaxies each

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containing untold numbers

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of star systems and planets that

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assumption has seemed all the more

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secure

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the final frontier was clearly out there

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and so we turned our attention as well

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as our most advanced telescopes and

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technologies

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to the stars in hopes of confirming the

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existence of these

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ever since the dawn of the atomic age

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the apparent

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presence of advanced craft buzzing in

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and around our skies

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combined with reported contact between

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people

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and various non-human entities has led

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many to conclude that the epoch of

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contact with advanced non-human

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is already upon us and of course

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following the common sense thinking of

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the day these others

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have been assumed to be space travelers

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who've transversed astounding

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astronomical distances

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in more recent decades this model termed

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the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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has met with some competition from what

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the interdimensional hypothesis this

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competing notion

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postulates the visitation of beings who

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are coming

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not necessarily from far-flung star

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systems but from parallel dimensions

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or other universes this hypothesis has

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been advanced by well-respected

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ufologists

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such as jacques villa who argue that the

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data

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best fits with this model

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what sometimes flies under the radar in

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this debate

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as to the origin of these others is a

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much more close to home explanation

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it's an explanation that is so close to

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home in fact

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that some find it downright disturbing

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i speak of a model advanced most

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famously by a researcher named

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mactanis termed the cryptoterrestrial

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hypothesis

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are actually

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terrestrial creatures flesh and blood

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beings

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just like us co-occupants of our world

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who have operated in stealth right

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that many of the bizarre reported

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and interactions with beings from

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distant human history

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i speak of fairies elves and such

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which are of course disregarded slash

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explained away today

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as mere mythological constructs of

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are actually incidents of contact with

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these very same

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cryptoterrestrials is it possible that

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the others we've heard so much about

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or at least some of them could actually

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be terrestrial in origin

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perhaps a distant offshoot of a common

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stealth and disinformation

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been actively misdirecting us into

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believing that what we've solely been

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dealing with

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are extraterrestrial visitors simply to

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throw us off their

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scent this is exactly what's postulated

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in maktani's much respected book

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the cryptoterrestrials a meditation on

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and the aliens among us tawny's

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as we begin this podcast i'd like to

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give a little bit of a background

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on mac tawnies the person responsible

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for advancing

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this crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

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mac tawnys was an american blogger and

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who wrote on topics such as ufology

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futurology

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transhumanism and high strangeness

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tani's compelling writing earned him a

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niche dedicated readership

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sadly he died suddenly of cardiac

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arrhythmia

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interestingly for tawnys the

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cryptoterrestrial hypothesis was not his

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initial thinking on this topic

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regarding the ufo phenomenon this is

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commonalities between the ufo phenomenon

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and the equally bewildering spectacle of

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our emerging

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technological future i was especially

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intrigued by the prospect of humans

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becoming something other

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than strictly biological increasingly

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viewed as a necessary evolutionary step

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in the wake of an imminent singularity a

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moment in history

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in which our intelligence augmented and

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disseminated by machines

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transcends the imaginable

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my working hypothesis that alien

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visitation was best viewed

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in cybernetic terms remains a valid

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paradigm for interpreting the arrival of

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eventually though as he considered the

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full body of the evidence

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historically even he came to reconsider

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this initial direction

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and quoting again from the book quote

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but the more i read and contemplated the

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more my

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post-biological theory seemed lacking

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while i could readily envision a global

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invasion directed by an unseen machine

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intelligence

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the enduring nature of the ufo spectacle

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forced me to rethink my assumptions

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like ufologist jacques villa i viewed

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our response

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to the appearance of apparent non-human

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vehicles in our skies

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as the work of deliberate psychological

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probably but not necessarily benevolent

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contrary to popular perceptions ufos are

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far from a recent occurrence

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written and oral accounts point to an

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experience of exceptional age

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if alien encounters were the work of

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some godlike artificial intelligence

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an omniscient peacemaker sowing memes in

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an effort to ensure

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this would neatly account for the lack

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of hard evidence that would force the

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question out of theoretical limbo and

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along the lines of the inscrutable black

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would have a vested interest in

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as biological beings we might even lack

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the perceptual acumen to properly

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subversively into our collective

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to define the mythos of our entire

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and thus control our evolution from a

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distance as it were

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challenge to this mythological approach

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was the explicitly physical nature of so

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valet and john keel author of the

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paranormal masterpiece the mothman

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have written extensively on the

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nonsensical element that accompanies

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if the antics of the absurd humanoids

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documented by valet weren't the work of

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some overarching intelligence

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what if they happened just as reported

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without the need to invoke externally

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were real not necessarily projections

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preying on our gullibility

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unquote and this is basically how tawnys

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arrived at this new hypothesis

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almost as an ironic aside

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after first stumbling across this rather

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counter-intuitive notion

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tawny's found that as he considered the

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full body of evidence from the

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of the ufo phenomenon that much of the

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data fit this hypothesis

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thus he ultimately arrived at what he

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termed the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis

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of which he writes quote i propose that

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can be attributed to a humanoid species

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a sister race that has adapted to our

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the explicitly reproductive overtones

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imperiled

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by a malady that has gone uncured

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throughout the eons we have coexisted

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driven by a puzzling mixture of hubris

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and existential desperation

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they seek to perpetuate themselves by

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infusing their gene pool

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with human dna while existing at the

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very margins of ordinary human

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perception

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they have succeeded in realms

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practically unexplored by known

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reinventing themselves at will and

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helping to orchestrate

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a misinformation campaign of

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awe-inspiring scope

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unquote to clarify

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further tawny suggested that these

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others

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these crypto terrestrials as he called

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them may be as far ahead of

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us as we are of chimpanzees in many ways

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anyway

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and this could of course explain their

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ability to avoid detection by us for so

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long

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both because of their potential

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technological superiority

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as well as a possible cognitive

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advantage they have over us

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but of course they couldn't be

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completely superior

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that wouldn't explain their need for us

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and tawny suggested that they have

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various deficits when compared to us

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as well for instance they don't have a

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global

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infrastructure as we do tawnis also saw

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them as mostly nomadic

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which would explain why we don't find

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evidence of their cities their

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so what do you think do you think

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there's any possibility that there could

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be a sister species to human beings

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another set of humanoids that coexist

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with us

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once you get past this strangeness and

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if you will the alienness

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pun intended of this idea that there

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could be another humanoid species

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co-populating the earth with us

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you do see some of the pros to this

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theory at least i do

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and i'd like to outline some of those

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arguments in favor

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now several of these arguments are

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actually made in tawny's book

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and he does make a compelling case i'd

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also like to add a couple of my own

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thoughts as well

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we'll start with number one occam's

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razor

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perhaps this is the simplest argument

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what i mean by that is perhaps the first

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argument in favor of the

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crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

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is that it does away with the need for

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either interstellar travel

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across astronomically large distances of

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outer space

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as postulated in the extraterrestrial

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hypothesis

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as well as the need for extra dimensions

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or dimension hopping capability slash

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technology

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as postulated by the interdimensional

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and this is what i meant earlier when i

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said that this hypothesis

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tidally deals with the data because it

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doesn't necessitate

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other aspects like interstellar travel

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or dimension hopping

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let's move on to number two in terms of

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the pros for this crypto-terrestrial

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hypothesis

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number two is their humanoid appearance

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evidence in strong support for this

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hypothesis is the appearance of these

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others

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they look by many accounts even if there

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is some variance in the descriptions

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historically

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remarkably humanoid it is said that some

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of them could even pass for us

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as long as you don't look too closely

389
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and as we've discussed on previous

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episodes on this podcast

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because creatures tend to evolve to be

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better adapted to their natural habitat

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this would lend support to the idea that

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this is a species

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in his book the cryptoterrestrials tawny

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suggests

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that the historical literature

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describing a species that may primarily

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reside subterraneously

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helps to potentially explain the

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appearance of these others

402
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they are often reported as pale and

403
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having very large eyes when compared to

404
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homo sapiens

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because they've adapted to their primary

406
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environment

407
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the cavernous depths of the earth where

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large

409
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eyes would benefit a humanoid species

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living in near

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if not complete darkness much of the

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so this is basically number two in terms

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of arguments for this hypothesis

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that these others look humanoid because

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they are actually native to the earth

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but that their differences in terms of

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appearance from human beings

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comes down to where they live on the

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earth that is subterraneously

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and this would explain their large eyes

421
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their pale skin

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their hairless bodies now here i would

423
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also like to add that

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we now also know there are likely a

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plethora of earth-like planets in our

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milky way galaxy alone

427
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let alone in the larger scope of the

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universe

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so this is not necessarily the smoking

430
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:22,399
gun

431
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many people first considered it to be

432
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but nevertheless

433
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it is a strong argument in favor of the

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let's move on to number three in terms

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of arguments in support

436
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:38,800
of the crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

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number three

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is the genetic component dna extraction

439
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:46,079
interbreeding and hybridization of the

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two species

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00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:49,920
make a lot more sense if the others are

442
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somehow biologically compatible

443
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with modern homo sapiens and for that to

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be the case

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tawnys postulates that perhaps we share

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a common ancestor why would they be

447
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,519
doing this though

448
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,600
tawny suggests that perhaps the others

449
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:06,880
are as he puts it

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genetically impoverished with a need to

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add fresh

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healthy stock to their efforts at

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ensuring the future

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of their species

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i have to say this is a pretty strong

456
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argument

457
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this is an aspect of the data that is

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definitely

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controversial and hard to reckon with

460
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the strange

461
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interbreeding hybridization programs the

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strange sexual nature of some of these

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interactions with the supposed non-human

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intelligence

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if they are somehow an offshoot of

466
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humanity that is actually trying to

467
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:44,240
mislead us while they actually improve

468
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,360
their genetic stock

469
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,440
and ensure their future well this would

470
00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:48,960
make a lot more sense

471
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,559
in some ways this is more common

472
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,640
sensical than the idea

473
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:55,360
that this is all about et's doing this

474
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to

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terms of the aspects of the data behind

476
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,840
the ufo phenomenon

477
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,760
that lend support to this

478
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:09,760
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

479
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:13,440
postulated by mactanis number four

480
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,480
is the others interest and concern over

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00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,559
our nuclear weapons

482
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:20,480
now this of course would make a lot of

483
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:22,960
sense for a species with plenty of skin

484
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,679
in the game

485
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,400
so to speak clearly if there is a

486
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species that would be the most concerned

487
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,200
with our reckless death wish endeavor of

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constructing enough nuclear weapons to

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destroy the entire human population

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and a large portion of the greater

491
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biosphere several times

492
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over it would be an aware intelligent

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00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:43,520
species that cohabitates with us

494
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:47,039
on the earth now of course there is also

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plenty of reason

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in my mind to believe that ecologically

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conscious highly evolved

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oneness-minded et's or interdimensionals

499
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would also be concerned with this

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00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,760
behavior

501
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especially if we live multiple lifetimes

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and have histories

503
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spread across several kinds of

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interstellar species

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grays and humans for instance as we've

506
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heard it tested to in some of the

507
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experiencer literature

508
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,799
but nevertheless this is a strong

509
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,320
argument in favor of the

510
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,559
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

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if there's one species that would be

512
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very concerned with our efforts in these

513
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,360
areas

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it would be a species native to the

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okay on to number five in terms of the

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aspects of the data

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that support the cryptoterrestrial

518
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hypothesis

519
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number five is the misdirection

520
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evidenced in the contact d

521
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abductee literature if they see us

522
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:44,960
as overtly aggressive and an outright

523
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threat to their ongoing existence

524
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then stealth and misdirection might be

525
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part of their game plan by leading us to

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continue

527
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,919
unabated in our belief that they are

528
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space travelers

529
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:59,520
they can continue to bend our actions to

530
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,480
their will

531
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,720
without fearing detection and direct

532
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:03,840
interference

533
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,679
from and or by us

534
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,080
speaking of misdirection this leads us

535
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into argument number six

536
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which is the long history of this

537
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,280
phenomenon

538
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,159
as we've discussed before these others

539
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,320
have apparently been here all along

540
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perhaps even before the onset of human

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civilization

542
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and interestingly perhaps it is their

543
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intent

544
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,600
their game plan to change their

545
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appearance

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to match with our expectations and it's

547
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:35,760
only more recently in the 20th and 21st

548
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century

549
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:39,280
that this facade has taken on the nature

550
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of

551
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,070
and if you think about it that would be

552
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,600
an ingenious plan

553
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:50,080
because by playing into our expectations

554
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,520
our assumptions

555
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:54,080
we never question this if they feed us

556
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:55,440
what we expect

557
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,630
let's move on to number seven in terms

558
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,640
of the aspects of the data behind the

559
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,240
ufo phenomenon

560
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:07,760
that fits well with this

561
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,559
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

562
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,960
i'd also add that this final argument

563
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,080
goes a long way

564
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:15,840
to explaining some of the biggest

565
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,280
challenges this hypothesis faces

566
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,679
number seven is the evidence of

567
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:23,600
consciousness manipulation

568
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:27,520
in the ufo slash abduction literature

569
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,679
the biggest challenge this hypothesis

570
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,120
faces of course

571
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,600
is how on earth such a species could

572
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,120
evade detection

573
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,480
so completely and for so long

574
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,559
and this is especially the case in our

575
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,679
modern era

576
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,240
with advanced global sensor systems and

577
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,240
increasingly hd cameras

578
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,760
almost everywhere but if this species

579
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,280
has the consciousness altering

580
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,840
capabilities we've heard described

581
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:56,400
in the abduction literature and the

582
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,200
contact d

583
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,600
literature and even the ufo sighting

584
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,640
literature

585
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,440
then this would help us perhaps overcome

586
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this seemingly

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and now i'd like to address a few

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concluding thoughts as to this

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crypto-terrestrial hypothesis

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number one it's important to remember

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that these different

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hypotheses as to the source the origin

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of these others

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are not necessarily mutually exclusive

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it could be that part of the way that

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this species

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if they in fact are humanoid and of the

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earth

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the way that they evade us so

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effectively is because they also maybe

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can dimension hop

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this may be a capacity they have even an

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another thought that i'd like to offer

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for your consideration

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is the kinds of craft we've seen buzzing

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around in our skies

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ever since the early to mid part of the

608
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20th century

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has always puzzled me if i'm honest

610
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and why because these vehicles so

611
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often look so very much like what i'd

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imagine

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our next gen tech would look like but

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what are the odds

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that an et civilization would show up

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that just so

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happened to be technologically within a

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few generations

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of us those chances seem very

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very slight especially when you consider

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the vastly different ages of different

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galaxies

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and different civilizations unless of

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course

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this is part of a coordinated scheme to

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help in our evolution

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this could be that's plausible and i

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think perhaps even likely

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if this is an et source or at least some

630
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of them are an et source

631
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but make no mistake i don't think it's

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merely coincidental that these ufos

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these uaps as they're called now look so

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much like craft we might very well

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develop

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in our own lifetimes within 30 to 50

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of course in addition to the idea that

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they could be donations from an et

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source

640
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:07,919
this could also lend strength to the

641
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,640
crypto-terrestrial hypothesis that again

642
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,960
they're feeding us our expectations they

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00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:14,640
are creating a facade

644
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of what we expect what we assume to see

645
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worth considering anyway

646
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and as a last point again when it comes

647
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to the intelligences that make up what

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we collectively

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colloquially refer to as the phenomenon

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my best guess is usually all of the

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above

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00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,960
meaning i believe we're likely going to

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00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,600
find definitive proof that reality

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is such that extraterrestrials

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interdimensionals

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00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,679
and perhaps even some modified version

657
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,360
of cryptoterrestrials

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00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,080
are all part of the larger tapestry of

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00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:51,760
existence

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just as our ancestors could not perceive

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00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,279
the color blue

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we may not be able to detect the

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presence of these others

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yet not many of us anyway and not

665
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usually all the time

666
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but our evolutionary trajectory very

667
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,039
well may be taking us in that direction

668
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in fact i'm quite sure it is so long as

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we don't blow ourselves back into the

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medieval ages

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and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition

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of the point of convergence podcast

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let's keep this conversation

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going and growing i'd just like to add

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also

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if you'd like to pick up some

678
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merchandise some swag

679
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related to this podcast you can go to

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point of convergence.net that's

681
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pointofconvergence.net

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where you'll now find i have a store

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there with

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things like t-shirts coffee mugs phone

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cases whatever you like

686
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some great designs there check that out

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in the meantime

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please continue to spread the word tell

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others about this show if you think they

690
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would be interested

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but until next time from deep within the

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blue ridge mountains